Primobolan trt reddit. Test E @ 300-400mg Primo (lowest dose with benefits please comment below) NPP (lowest I read Total Recall as well, and he basically glosses over steroids. Trenbolone vs. 57 years old — 5 years TRT. Just reduce the Mast and use an acne treatment from the pharmacy. I have several oils from them and everything is feeling as it should. Primo took a while to kick in, no sudden increased strength or anything, just kept me going strong in the gym while cutting on 1600-1800 cals. Reply reply. Cons: Enlarged prostate, acne, and possible hair loss. Mast is about 80% as good as primo (anabolism wise), but typically 50% cheaper. primo all the way, dosen’t rape my hair a little more expensive but way better, mast only shines at low bodyfat % imo. My nipples became pointy and looked like women breast. When i blast i do 200mg Test 400mg Primo for 14 weeks. [Discussion] EQ (Equipoise), Estrogen, and AI effects. Then in a few months I would likely run that protocol for six months to a year until I go back to a trt clinic. It’s the only guaranteed mainstay besides Test in every blast from now on. 15 mg works for me. No Buying, Selling or Links to Sources. Pros: Quality of life has improved dramatically. Avoid most oral steroids, especially Proviron. Avoid bread. This is Primo + TRT. bryceee_. Primo is slow acting 10 weeks is about half of what I usually run. Maybe a little hit to cholesterol but mainly it’ll boost free t. Even with a ratio of 3:1 Test:Primo, It’s still possible to get low E2. It will increase androgens but estrogens will remain unchanged. The primo might work for you on that low of a test dose or it might not. But I can’t tell if it’s from TRT or from Primobolan? Jan 20, 2023 · Discover how to get more gains from your Primobolan cycle, including how long to run the steroid for, what dose to take and other compounds to stack it with Cialis. I got high blood pressure, water retention and acne. I stayed cautious to not crash E2 and kept taking small steps, but no success. It’s time again for Compound Comparison! Today we have two injectable steroids, one of which is very popular- Trenbolone! It’s competitor, DHB, is a DHT derivative and a fairly newcomer to the steroid scene. Read the rules. Specialist_Tone2797 3000 ng/dl testosterone levels on just 250mg/week of Test E. Specifically, I'm curious about the impact on physique and whether it helps reduce estradiol (E2). You are missing out on gains and wasting test by being stupid and weird with your cycle. tren_hard_eat-clen. 5 tick marks to be at 1/4 of one ml which would be 50mg. Could be as little as 0. As I said, the reason we use primo is that gram plus doses of primo are very, very mild side-effect wise compared to anything else. There is NO correlation in any study that high E2 caused or causes ED. Both of these issues are easily controllable by managing diet (salt intake mostly) and E2. Anything above a total of 200mg total is blast territory for most people. 100mg Testosterone Suspension or TNE (Oil based Test No Ester) = 100mg Test. As far as compounds to compliment TRTeither Proviron or low dose Masteron. There is zero chance it is faked. Your first cycle stick to test and ONE dose of test. So I expect you’ll get a fraction of the benefits one would get from TRT. On the bright side, it’s many times better than something like arimidex imo. But my hair loss has gone nuts. how often do you inject your primo? Google says 4-7 Day half life. Obviously the one you can run for 16 weeks at a high dosage lol. 2 to 1. Add a In addition to 1 methylation, Primobolan also utilizes a 17 beta ester (acetate) to further protect against reduction to inactive form. 5:1 test to primo (500mg/200mg) and e levels are fine. Both have MILD AI properties and can help take E2 down a bit. 100mg Testosterone Propionate = 80mg Test Primobolan actually lowers e2 where Masteron just masks the side. Donated blood, all good. Test 5 alpha reduces into dht. Primo can be run a lot longer, so definitely gonna have to go with that. Trenbolone will increase strength substantially more than Primo. Also once a week TRT works for me. So you'll have shit test levels while having to chow down a huge amount of pills multiple times a day. Then you can add the primo. So far the Test & Primo E are working well. High doses of testosterone can affect BP especially in the beginning, but even that often normalized once body gets used to it. If it's a cruise then 100mg test plus 100mg primo. • 8 mo. Masteron stays a bit longer active at the AR, that's basically the only difference. Specific effects. Side effects. I started having some low E2 symptoms but only confirmed with blood work after the blast, aka, Primo not only decreased my E2, but it did for quite sometime even after I stopped the drug. I take 200 mg test cyp weekly. Dihydroboldenone [Compound] Compounds. BicyclingBro. That's not a massive problem (acutely. Don't be fat. 33 asian male. Cruise on 160 test and 80 primo. At least you get some good muscle growth and vascularity effects from primo. Gains: Dry, vascular look, increased strength, increased mind muscle connection. Daily. If it suppresses your E2 you'll need to up the test or drop the primo. I am a friend of short and concise texts, so those are my experiences with TRT. I ended up titrating Primobolan to 500mg weekly and still had no impact on E2 sides. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences! Check where your e2 is 1st after you've ran 150mg of test by itself for about 6 to 8 weeks. Hello Historical_Art_3370. Wish i could run primo, but getting it in the USA is pretty Not to mention legitimate primobolan can help control estrogen, so if you are taking test plus and AI plus legitimate primobolan, you risk putting your estrogen in the toilet. Primo is not going to help you manage estrogen. For me, I aromatize really easily, so I always have to do a one-to-one ratio of test and primo. •. There's actually a great deal of critical thinking and rationale that went into arriving at this figure. A place to discussing all things related to the safe usage of Steroids, TRT or hormone replacement with…. My TRT is 70mg Test 700iu hcg. Masterone 100%. 500mg is recommended for your first cycle. It will compete with DHT for SHBG binding thus increasing your free DHT. Mentioning sources by name is allowed for feedback/question/review purposes. Bioavailability of oral Primo is significantly lower than injectable, and so especially given bow expensive Primo already is, you really shouldn't waste your money on an oral version where most of the actual compound you paid for will never even become active. One of my mentors also talked me into dropping my TRT back to small daily doses, which sounded insane, but it was probably one of the best things I ever did. I was rejected for trt even though I have breasts and e. Any insights or personal experiences with low-dose Primobolan alongside TRT doses, especially with Testosterone Undecanoate, would be greatly appreciated. Lower your dose perhaps, seeks alternative methods of lower BP - google those to find what is relevant for your case. Some people tolerate it just fine. For most people that works perfectly. My test was so low I only had a sex drive once a week before starting a cycle. My libido is great and, in general, I'm more mellow than I was before. Also I feel it helps with my post finasteride syndrome. 2. They are fun and can tune you in but not a long term solution. Id put on as much muscle as u can on actual trt dosages instead of blasting without any muscle mass. The Benefit/Side ratio is arguably the best in the game. I won't go into detail about each of them, and there are orals too, if you decide to go down that route you need to understand what you're doing first. If your e2 without primo came in at 65 for example, the 150 test 80 primo could be a good starting point. Pinning daily for a total of 200mg TestCyp and 400mg Masteron weekly. It's more about dosing than whether you use Masteron or Primobolan. On the doses you're planning the anavar will be doing the heavy lifting. Ancillaries required (if any) Constrains (price, availability, gender limitations, etc) Ease of use (for beginners, experienced, etc) I started as a fat ass and did 200-300 test first 8-12 weeks then ended with 12 weeks of 200-300 primo 200-300 test, 3 iu hgh, 50 mgs var last 2-3 weeks. Despite its anabolic characteristics, this steroid is widely used as a cutting steroid due to its ability to burn fat. Both are nearly identical in molecular structure and their properties. 4. They do not care. For educational purposes only, No Buying, Selling or Links to Sources. My emotional state is stabilized a lot. . Yes. You would need to pull the plunger back to 2. Also that dht conversion will wreck your hairline. 29 votes, 45 comments. Primo generally has next to no impact on bloodwork. Contemplating adding in 10mg/day NPPso roughly 30mg/day total. I'm currently looking to do around 300mg of test and 10mg of LGD-4033 for 8 weeks on this cycle to bulk as much as possible. Either way, Marek Health is an absolute garbage TRT clinic, with insane prices. They make like 10,000% profit on some of their products, and truly do not give a shit about their patients. Dec 2, 2023 · Primobolan barely affects cholesterol or the liver, while Trenbolone will cause severe impacts on both. Arimidex (generic name) compounded by a special pharmacy - $200 for 90 pills. 50mg DHEA 50mg Pregnenolone. E2 also fucks up your TSH, increase serotonin too much when too high, spikes your BP, bloats you and literally gives you ED as shown in numerous studies INDEPENDANT on T levels. 100mg of primo per week is pretty useless. NSFW. NPP would benefit eventhough you run a very very mild dose, and good thing is you can taper up pretty fast. It's somewhere in between Proviron and Masteron in terms of how it feels. The side effects can be wild, including ED and depression. Welcome to r/Testosterone. Think of it as around 3 weeks for it to fully begin taking effect. It’s an interesting possibility instead of TRT. Primobolan shouldn't be run more then 12 weeks at a time and anything you add to trt is no longer trt its a blast call it what it is. This week we are discussing Primo aka Methenolone. This could potentially cause your body problems when trying to relax, wind down and lower that adrenergic drive to rest. or even 250 testosterone Ive heard real primobolan works really good with no side effects other than estradiol. DOSAGES: I’ve run it at low (<300), medium (<600) and ~higher (<900) doses. Dose, duration, other compounds used. TRT is testosterone REPLACEMENT therapy. This week we are discussing Winstrol aka Stanozolol or Winny. Both are stimulating androgen receptors, which increases the risk of acne. Can also be tough on hair since it's a dht can can mask high e2 etc. Unless you’re cruising at 300-400 test (which I doubt you’re that big) then it doesn’t make sense. On 150mg a week, it was: Total testosterone - 60 nmol/L (1730 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 202 pmol/L (55 pg/mL) (This one didn't come with SHBG sadly) A place to discussing all things related to the safe usage of Steroids, TRT or hormone optimisation. MOD • 2 yr. But some people will need more test, or can even handle a little less test. Try basic lisonpril. The goal of these threads is to generate discussion about the posted compound and get a wide variety of user experiences and feedback about it. Anavar, while yielding levers and lustres, did cast a spell of mood swings and libido lulls, which made the fit imperfect. TL:DR Keep the TRT dose of test, but add low dose hCG. I asked my entire question in the header. That’s pretty much it. Adding primo to a cruise dose of T would make sense to me only if you have serious reason to be concerned over your hair or prostate or something. Can mask high e2 PRIMO: literally paired with anavar as the most refined and pure anabolics out there. So there is one thing I always notice. at 33 mememarket126 Why do people get gyno hair loss and all the nasty side effects from testosterone if they just replace the physiological amount of T they once had? Two DHT derivatives, Primobolan is known for it's slow mass building abilities, while Masteron is known for it's cosmetic effects. Doing my first " No AI" blast now, about 3 weeks in. This is easily one of the most common discussions that is brought up daily and that the wiki seems to miss the mark. Question regarding not feeling well on TRT. So is my best bet to inject Primo like every today's to stick to close to half of the half life, just like testosterone cypionate? Or would it build up too fast and I would be better off But I felt like I have some emotional ups and downs during the week. Has anyone experienced this? Bienvenue dans notre communauté dédiée aux stéroïdes en France ! Notre espace est conçu pour offrir un soutien bienveillant, des conseils éclairés et une plateforme d'échange ouverte à tous ceux qui s'intéressent aux stéroïdes. First pic at start of treatment. Granted it doesn't cost all that much and it doesn't hurt that much, but it's still extra effort. And I feel great on this. He also has mentioned bb'ers took Dbol like candy throughout the day. To decrease SHBG: Do the opposite of the above, except for the last two - please don't be a fat AAS user with a shit diet. EQ = neurotoxicity issues, can crash estrogen MAST = better but can be tough on lipids and hair and joints. sleepasdf. Beligas is a big brand. Contra what you may have been led to believe, this number was not just haphazardly chanced upon. Trenbolone is highly androgenic and likely to cause hair loss and acne. 1. For me Primo is almost too effective at lowering mine at times. Reply. I feel absolutely nothing on pharmaceutical Rimobolan. Both can enhance mood, and libido and give you that feeling of well being. SwoleTide. You need 16-20. You really need to be eating a huge amount of the pills and docs won't even usually prescribe enough. This week we are discussing 1-Test, Dihydroboldenone or DHB The goal of these threads is to generate discussion about the posted compound and get a wide variety of user experiences and feedback about it. Just trying to find something mild to switch to for super mini "blasts" if you even want to call it that. PLENTY of guys inject subq for their TRT but those are very small amounts of oil per week. While Primobolan and Proviron do not place the same stress on the liver, they are also much less resistant to breakdown than 17 alkylated orals, and are ultimately less active milligram for milligram. These threads are extremely useful as an archive Dec 17, 2021 · Hi, I would like to hear personal experiences on low primobolan dosages, wondering if one cycle (200 testosterone / 300 primobolan) would be enough during a cut for the muscles thanks to the testosterone dose and at the same time still appear quite full thanks to the primobolan, all this with very few side effects. I don't think I've ever seen a report of anyone having remotely decent testosterone levels using oral testosterone undecanoate. For me - I am HIGHLY reactive to Arimidex 0. Keep an eye on your BP but mine was normal the entire time, I can't push my test above 180 without serious acne but if you can tolerate higher doses, go for it. So 200mg testosterone and 100mg deca. Primobolan is believed to compete for the aromatase enzyme, but primo can’t aromatize so it just binds up the enzyme, leading to lower serum estrodial. If you mean to say that you're blasting and cruising, you should have accepted that you were possibly signing up for lifelong TRT. Let’s hear your thoughts and suggestions! Please share your experience MembersOnline. I was wondering how labs will be affected too. There is with low E2. One year on TRT - and how it completely changed my life. Protocol: Test C 140/150mg a week split in to daily injections. You really need to buy insulin syringes on Amazon it’s far easier to accurately measure amounts like that with those. 25ml per week depending on dose and product concentration. ago. Goals. d. Hi all, huge fan of Steve here, and have been following for a long time on YouTube. You should not be using either of these compounds to combat moon face and low libido. I discovered my problem with low T when I got worked up for feeling sort of depressed. Depends on if you're not a heavy aromatizer on 140mg and do not have a lot of wiggle room on e2 dropping, IE: a small amount of primo could drop e2 into a range where the gains from Primo don't offset the health and feeling loss from e2 lowering into a range where it's not ideal, especially from a long term perspective. J. You're not meant to come off of it. 120mg of test. Sorry for the post on zombie threads. For those unaware, each week we have a specific steroid or PED up for discussion. So I could use some inspiration for Test/Primo TRT protocols. Cycle. 3. Drop the fucking AI regardless of the primo. Discussion. Yes long term cycle results would be high Primo over mast but I thought you meant low dose with trt. Primo is about half as anabolic as T in real world terms. Low dose mast makes me feel even better on trt. After one year on TRT, exploring the spectrum of dosages, frequency, ai/caber, supplements, diets, addons, and the best feeling on TRT has been when in combination with primo. A lot of other stuff is glossed over as well, with just a few words devoted to it - so take that with a grain of salt. It is very weak, it has almost zero effect on any markers except E2 going down. I'm not sure if that's an actual effect of the TRT. I do 2. Primo is the superior compound in every regard if cost is no issue. Primobolan suited my contest prep and endurance training phases like an unsung anthem, harmonizing with my physique's rhythm without a discord in side effects. • 16-20 weeks. Or, keep TRT test dose and add one or more libido boosting supplements. Just going from normal trt to high trt to see how my body reacts for a while. But ill keep you updated when i start on the cycle in 3 months. So you’d need 1/4 of that to be 50mg. [Compounds] Methenolone aka Primobolan or Primo. Test e - 250mg monday, 250mg thursday Primobolan - 500mg monday, 500mg thursday Tren e - 50mg monday, 50mg thursday Arimidex - 1mg e3d or when its needed. It's a very big problem chronically), but if you have pre-existing cardiovascular concerns, it's definitely something to consider. Discussing sources will get you banned. I did work out prior to treatment, but my results have greatly improved. Usually I do this protocol and micro dose 5mg primobolan like 3x a week. Subq has a tendency to cause lumping that can remain for weeks. But yeah, the longer you're on anything, the less likely things will fully come back. I wouldnt’ call Primo “TRT”, maybe that’s just semantics. • 500:500; 500:400 (favorite); 200:200. What works specially apart from the most known stuff like exercising. A place to discussing all things related to the safe usage of Steroids, TRT or hormone optimisation. If I was doing that I might take a pill after every shot. 100mg Testosterone Acetate = 83mg Test. It was a long journey, and I had to change my protocol quite a few times. And it gave me heartburn the first few days. Not supraphysiological testosterone therapy. I’m 31, 230lb 6ft tall, pretty lean (bicep, quad, calf vascularity for example). Benefits experienced. As the title suggests, I live a VERY different life now, and of course to the better. I know it seems small but 70mg of each compound per week would put me at 210mg/wk total. Thats legit 👍🏼. So for about I think 6 weeks now I mix the Primobolan with Enanthate and do 10mg e2d. Masteron is a classic, primobolan is regarded as a more expensive and smoother alternative to masteron, boldenone/equipoise is also something to consider. Compounds. There are different experiences but people are really underestimating the AI effects of primo. EQ is said to aromatize at 50% the rate of testosterone, but we seem to encounter the AI effect vastly outperforming the aromatization. Mast if you have top tier hair genetics. Likely still walking around 20-21% however. If you want to lower your e2, use an AI at a low dose and titrate up or down as needed. The limiting factor is that, for many I've been on both 125mg and 150mg dosage to experiment with. The Adding Anavar to TRT. That protocol is what TRT should have felt like. Mood and energy levels are greatly improved. • Always with testosterone. This sounds like a great cycle. Proviron. • 2 yr. Not trying to jump on the "fuck AIs" bandwagon, but ever since my first cycle I could tell that they generally messed with me. Unlike Primo, Trenbolone can have a severe negative impact on mood. At trt dose, 300-400 primo would start to cause low e2 problems for most people. Apr 14, 2021 · I was on TRT (prescribed) and added Primobolan (1050mg/week) on top of that for about 2 months. For me, proviron made me feel more confident and comfortable with confrontation. You need to learn how to manage estrogen. I run a little bit of transdermal AndroHard (DHT prohormone, 5-alpha reduced androsterone) with my TRT year round. Hands down. This is going to sound silly to some; probably a bit more sensible to the older folks who’ve been around for a while. Basically what I’m saying is that you could crash your estrogen if you don’t know the ratio of test:primo that fits you best, so it’s best to start low TESTOSTERONE . If you your test once per week, then try adding hCG like 2x per week (250-500iu) before your test pin. 100mg is a waste. Even low doses made me feel off and slashed my libido significantly. The basis most people miss but should understand is, with most people you want always run around a 1:1 ratio of test and primo. You also get the added estrogen control benefit from mast along with likely a higher neural activation which helps with strength. Many things can affect BP. . All protein expression and no bullshit. 37m. These threads are extremely useful as an Mental effects of Masteron: Confident, horny, happy. Once you have that bloodwork and see where your e2 is without primo. Primobolan does not cause bloating or water retention, in contrast to other anabolic steroids. Primobolan can either be ingested or administered intravenously (this article will, in particular, focus on oral primobolan). Holding size/strength, great pumps in the gym, BP's good and feel my normal horny self. Primo and Testosterone go together very nicely. AutoModerator. Just a guess about the sleep issues: These compounds keep your nervous system agitated (strength gains and aggression) and have a strong adrenergic receptor drive. Duration. Total DHT will remain the same. For educational purposes only. However, mast is typically harsher on lipids compared to primo. It's been mentioned on nearly every source online that Arnold was a huge fan of Primobolan. I inject my testosterone cypionate, which has an eight-day half life every 3 days. TRT needs to be approached with the assumption it will be needed for life, doses like the above are small cycles and over time will absolutely shorten your lifespan. Cons: Needles and cost. 7K subscribers in the SteroidsUK community. This isnt trt its a blast. At most, you want a 2:1 ratio of testosterone to Deca. Also Deca goes really well too because it’s like a moisturizer for your joints. Anavar is probably the safest oral, but it will wreck your lipids while you're on it. To increase SHBG: Avoid AIs. Also might wanna keep an eye on e2 primo will tank it if you arent a high aromatizer. I ran 140 test 100 primo for 20 weeks as a TRT plus approach, and I didn't have any issues except hematocrit, but that was elevated on just TRT anyway. Utilize low doses of SERMs (not tamoxifen) Eat a diet that promotes insulin sensitivity. Reset back to TRT protocol fot at least 14 weeks before blasting again. Do yourselves a favor and stay far away from Derek's clinic. I see nandrolone and anavar are prescribed in the US, of course less frequently than testosterone, but still are, why not others? Why not primobolan? Seems like it would be a no-brainer safer alternative to compliment a Trt protocol. cyp puts me outside the reference range at 1300ng/dl. Other than that, OP can try hCG which is known to boost libido in some individuals on TRT. Orals should only be as a supplement. [Compound Experience Saturday] Primobolan (Methenolone) Compounds. I train four or five days a week. OVERVIEW: Primo is the Pfizer to Tren’s Johnson & Johnson. Definitely could work, a lot of people say it has no impact on bloods but I’d still cycle off it at times if I were you. Masteron gives me a nice clean feeling of being “on” I don’t feel overly aggressive or have paranoid feelings like I would on tren. Oral is essentially only useful for women, who don't 3 years on TRT, starting getting these small pimples the last couple of months. After one month blood work showed 62 E2. As you already know, most DHT is tightly bound to SHBG. SubstanceEasy4576. Gains are log-linear up to 600 mg and well beyond. You'll only know once you've ran it. I mean, the whole point of TRT is that it's a treatment for hypogonadism. That said, you can certainly try it. Whats primo. A place to discussing all things related to the safe usage of Steroids, TRT or hormone replacement with the exception of sourcing information. I know many use TRT twice a week or every 3 days. Again this is just my opinion you might find 200 Primo is suited better for you but most find it a waste. ADMIN MOD. These 3ml syringes are great for steroid cycles but not so much for trt IMO. Been using testosterone for about 2 years (150mg/wk cruise and 400mg/wk blast) blasted around 2 times a year for about 3 to 4 months each (usually winter/summer) never got more than a gram of PEDs combined, used EQ, Var, Deca, Anadrol, Dbol, Primo, Mast and Winny so far in these past years (not all together obviously lol). being on t is likely increasing your dht already. 500 mg is a low dose. At the end once I was getting to a lower body fat Sep 5, 2019 · Microdosing it at 10mg/day along with my 10mg/day Test P. I can go 3-4x per day now and have added 45lbs since August. Parameters are stable at 40mg/30mg EOD, and the performance on sex, exercise, and work has been beyond anything I've ever experienced. Posted by u/OwnTransition - 3 votes and 6 comments Main reason for tapering up is to find the absoloute best dose that suits you, i could say do 300 and that might be perfect for you or just too much. Jesus where to begin. Ain’t nothing keepable without continued use. But at that dose, probably ineffective. I’ve never done any AAS in my entire life, and trained and competed in powerlifting naturally for 13 years I’m curious as to why doctors at Trt clinics seem to be able to prescribe certain agents and not others. 11. Dose*. ie lo ug xf xq vo ih yt vk ev